tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post3682722296332274890..comments2024-03-13T21:06:16.936-04:00Comments on Olive Tree Genealogy Blog: D.A.R. Needs a Wakeup Call re DNA EvidenceOlive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-19968830170801206272011-08-03T02:10:58.203-04:002011-08-03T02:10:58.203-04:00I forgot to also add in my earlier comment that th...I forgot to also add in my earlier comment that the current testing of Y-DNA does not prove descent from a specific ancestor. What a Y-DNA test actually proves is genetic similarity to another tester. One can use this as evidence of descent from a specific family, but not as proof. Furthermore, a Y-DNA match does not prove descent from a specific individual. One simply cannot prove with DNA Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-75373967354355395102011-08-02T16:26:08.309-04:002011-08-02T16:26:08.309-04:00DNA may be useful in looking to the answers in a f...DNA may be useful in looking to the answers in a family line, but to use it as proof of relationship is going to be tricky. As has been pointed out, it is women who are applying for membership, and the Y-DNA lines are what is required to show that the patriot is an ancestor. So a woman would have to submit the Y-DNA of a male relative in the line, prove the relationship through DNA to that personCalifornia Researcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09140101696674277676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-56018904819949366792011-07-26T12:07:18.679-04:002011-07-26T12:07:18.679-04:00LETS PUT THIS LIKE IT IS DNA DOES NOT A MARRIAGE P...LETS PUT THIS LIKE IT IS DNA DOES NOT A MARRIAGE PROVE. DNA PROVE A FAMILIAR RELATIONSHIP BUT DAR WANT PROOF OF THE MARRIAGE THE BIRTH AND DEATH TO PROVE THE LINEAGE OF THE PERSON ASKING TO JOIN THRU TO HER REV WAR ANCESTOR . PROOFS ARE CHURCH RECORDS OF MARRIAGE BAPTISM BIRTH CERTIFICATES DEATH CERTIFICATES MARRIAGE CERTIFICATES, CEMETERY RECORD, WILLS DEED. CENSUS PROVE MORE THAN DNA CAN EVER dustypepperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10146485173681529944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-25200426897515579942011-07-26T00:57:09.423-04:002011-07-26T00:57:09.423-04:00Michael said, They may be able to submit a close ...Michael said, They may be able to submit a close male relative, but that is not usually in the direct line from the Revolutionary ancestor to the applicant. I just had my uncle tested. From his father to my Revolutionary Soldier is six generations and with large families, it doesn't seem that it would be hard to have some more males. Go side ways to your cousins.Carole Aldennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-25927905964871425142011-07-25T00:17:39.929-04:002011-07-25T00:17:39.929-04:00Kate Cann is partially right. The genealogists wh...Kate Cann is partially right. The genealogists who review the member applications are employees who, I understand, have only a short amount of time (for the first pass) to review each application for correctness. Initial member applications are actually reviewed and submitted by chapter officers who ARE volunteers and, though trained in document usage are not, at this time, equipped to know if Cindy Parnellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-469854197648535852011-07-24T17:26:40.966-04:002011-07-24T17:26:40.966-04:00Mountain Mama - the point is NOT that the applicat...Mountain Mama - the point is NOT that the application was rejected.<br /><br />The point is that DNA is not allowed by the DAR as PART of the submission process.<br /><br />Whether or not the application is rejected or accepted is not what is being question<br /><br />It is the refusal of DAR to accept that DNA is a valid part of any documentation. <br /><br />DNA would not automatically grant Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-39520609537396356482011-07-24T16:06:08.289-04:002011-07-24T16:06:08.289-04:00I think it is also important to notice that the re...I think it is also important to notice that the reason the application was rejected was due to the unaddressed question of their ancestor (with a not uncommon name) actually being the patriot that served. I can be a proven descendant of John Doe, but without proof that my John Doe was the person who provided some kind of service, it doesn't matter. <br /><br />In my understanding of DNA Mountain Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08245031277418165029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-12207970798760564412011-07-24T15:04:02.427-04:002011-07-24T15:04:02.427-04:00Two points -
1. DAR is NOT an ALL volunteer orga...Two points - <br /><br />1. DAR is NOT an ALL volunteer organization. The Genealogy Dept who proof the applications are PAID staff members of NSDAR.<br /><br />2. A woman can easily use Y-chromosome results for her application. All she needs to do is prove her kinship to the male whose results are being submitted.Kate Cannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-65083767119104726362011-07-24T12:50:22.021-04:002011-07-24T12:50:22.021-04:00Cindy, you've given some very well-thought out...Cindy, you've given some very well-thought out and logical reasons why DAR might not be accepting DNA results. <br /><br />If only the official spokesperson for DAR had spoken as rationally as you! Her words (quoted in the Washington Post article) about not being able to use DNA unless you dug up the dead ancestor only showed her lack of knowledge of how DNA testing works. She also made it Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-24153406966731537072011-07-24T11:15:49.412-04:002011-07-24T11:15:49.412-04:00I think Michael makes a good point. It would cert...I think Michael makes a good point. It would certainly depend on what generation the applicant wanted to use the DNA. In the past some women wanted to use a woman who was the mother of a patriot but who was a sibling of their own ancestor. Also known as a collateral ancestor. We have been very busy entering all the applications from 1890s to present day into a database. So NSDAR is getting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-34193357971533455512011-07-24T09:53:22.089-04:002011-07-24T09:53:22.089-04:00As a DAR member who has done over 40 member applic...As a DAR member who has done over 40 member applications I know that the organization may well take DNA evidence someday, when it is ready and able to process it correctly. Right now the organization is finishing putting all of its existing application lineages on an on-line database; a multi-year project intended to aid new applicants. This involves over 800,000 proven lineages! Next, DAR is Cindy Parnellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-79445715140167744702011-07-24T06:16:45.892-04:002011-07-24T06:16:45.892-04:00One potential reason for the difference between th...One potential reason for the difference between the SAR's policy vs. the DAR's policy (and I am not a representative of either organization and do not know for a fact) could be the very nature of DNA testing and the membership of these organizations. Presumably, we are talking about Y-DNA, which is the only DNA testing method with a sample size sufficient for proving identity of ancestorsMichael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-76144999407115463832011-07-21T16:39:21.750-04:002011-07-21T16:39:21.750-04:00Barbara, you misunderstood my post. Nowhere did I ...Barbara, you misunderstood my post. Nowhere did I say that DNA should be a REQUIREMENT. I said it should be allowed as another piece of evidence IF an applicant chose to submit it. <br /><br /> I don't think the fact that DAR may be made up of older individuals is a legitimate reason to not keep up with evolving technology. <br /><br />I have not done a study on it but my understanding is Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-66728059877047125162011-07-21T15:23:57.708-04:002011-07-21T15:23:57.708-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Barbara Poolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07440544740334032378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-50832439408769949902011-07-21T14:12:32.200-04:002011-07-21T14:12:32.200-04:00Reference Tracy's comment:"It makes me wo...Reference Tracy's comment:"It makes me wonder how many people have gotten into a lineage society based upon paper documentation but DNA results might tell a different story." <br />Could be they're afraid to accept DNA for that very reason.Becky Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04375430428083496025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-64874308330683562402011-07-21T13:43:46.729-04:002011-07-21T13:43:46.729-04:00It sounds like the powers that be at the DAR are l...It sounds like the powers that be at the DAR are like ostriches with their heads in the sand.Claudiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714440790407126206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8641680.post-67645730719414084102011-07-21T12:46:54.173-04:002011-07-21T12:46:54.173-04:00I couldn't agree more. I likely will not be a...I couldn't agree more. I likely will not be able to prove my connection to three Patriot ancestors without the Y-DNA results taken by my father and his uncle, proving that they are 100% matched on 37 markers. Because of my grandfather's name change (and lack of documents I can find to prove it), DNA was my next option. It makes me wonder how many people have gotten into a lineage Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869855513272348366noreply@blogger.com